Friday, March 22, 2013

Pergo XP (Highland Hickory)

Here is my honest, un-paid for, un-free material, un-sponsored by Pergo, review of the Pergo XP Highland Hickory laminate flooring "Available only at The Home Depot!" .  In other words, no one paid me or gave me free supplies to write this.

I'm in the midst of installing around 800 square feet of Pergo XP in my two story home.  It's going in the living room, dining room, kitchen, foyer, mud room, two hallways and a powder room.  Pergo manufactures different lines of flooring for Home Depot and Lowes.  This works great for each store because they avoid having to price match against each other.  I was disappointed that we liked the Highland Hickory (available at Home Depot) better than the Richland Hickory (available at Lowes) because I could have gotten the Richland cheaper than the Highland even though Richland currently retails for $0.20 more per square foot than the Hickory.  Lowes gives away 10% coupons and $10 off $50 coupons like they're candy.  At Lowes you can pretty much walk up to any store associate and ask for 10% off.  Getting a 10% off discount at Home Depot is like pulling teeth.  I managed to get 10% off my purchase from Home Depot by going to the pro-desk.  The manager at another store wasn't happy when I forced them to price match it.  They were upset that I wasn't a contractor.  Really?  I'm buying almost $2500 worth of flooring from you along with the over priced transition pieces that are complete garbage.  The least you can do is give me 10% off.

I had to special order the Highland Hickory because I needed 68 boxes of the flooring.  That works out to about 2.25 pallets.  Our area got slammed by Sandy so as soon as flooring gets delivered it goes right out the door.  If you're wondering, each box weighs a little over 24 pounds and has 8 planks.  Special ordering it was the way to go because they all come from the same lot, stay on the pallet, and don't have people digging through them damaging the contents.

Palleting:  If memory serves, each pallet is shipped with 30 boxes stacked 6 high and 5 wide. Pergo uses plastic band straps to hold it together but when they tighten the straps down it crushes the planks that are unfortunate enough to be on the top sides of each pallet.  I've had 4 planks damaged this way.  At around $4 per plank it can get costly.  Good thing I ordered 10% more than I needed right? A few small pieces of thick cardboard would protect against this.  I still managed to use most of the planks later by cutting out the bad sections.

Packaging:  The way Pergo packages their laminate flooring is stupid.  The box is a lightweight corrugated cardboard wrapped in plastic with tiny holes in it so the laminate can breathe.  The box is sufficiently strong but the major flaw is that the box has no bottom!  The bottom plank covered in clear plastic serves as the bottom of the box.  Of course, the bottom is what takes the most abuse from being tossed around. This is another reason to special order instead of buying what is already on the floor.  People toss these boxes around like their footballs.  The flooring has 2mm of underlayment pre-attached.  One out of every 3 boxes I opened the underlayment was separating from the plank because as you gently pull away the plastic wrapping it still manages to adhere to the plastic.  Here again, a little bit of cardboard goes a LONG way.

Plank Design:  The wife and I really like the pattern of the wood grain on the planks. The hand-scraping should help to hide future damage and adds a little depth to the plank. There are 15 different wood grain patterns, however, the randomness that they are packed into boxes at the factory is poor.  I might open 5 boxes in a row that only have 8 variations in their patterns.  The next 5 boxes would only have 7 variations.  I opened all of the boxes and organized the planks based on their grain pattern and I could look at the first plank in the box and now which piles I would be adding planks too.  It looks like they come off of two different assembly lines because half of the planks have dark edges where the paint or dye or stain bled onto it and the others are a light tan color.  If Pergo could figure out a way to mix the planks from these two assembly lines together that would be ideal.  There is also one particular plank pattern that Pergo seems to be obsessed with.  I have twice as many of that one as any of the others.  As we've gotten to the last 15 or so boxes my wife and I have started examining the pattern through the clear plastic window in the box so we can have a good mixture of patterns and then return the rest.  I'd hate to wind up with a bunch of planks that are only 5 or 6 different patterns.  She is much better at recognizing the matching pattern than I am.  We have since learned that we can probably look at the bottom of the last plank to see what date code is stamped on the padding.  It looks like the printing is different between the two.

Here are some pictures of the  floor now that it is finished.
http://forcedfx.blogspot.com/2013/05/installation-pictures-of-pergo-xp.html


Fitment:  I can't tell you how well the planks will stay locked together over time with wear and tear, but I can tell you how the locking system works.  First, you can work with the long tongue side toward the wall or the long groove side.  Either one will allow you to snap the pieces together.  However, you should work with the long tongue side toward the wall.  That's what Pergo recommends and the short tongue side has a chamfer on one corner of it so you can slide the next plank against it more easily.  Also, when using the tapping block you have to be more gentle when tapping against the long tongue side.  The short tongue side has a plastic lip placed in it that acts as the locking mechanism.  If you are laying a plank and force the short groove side against the short tongue side you will snap the lip off of it and ruin the edge of that plank. It takes some practice but when I lay a new plank in, I slide it until the edges are touching or about 1/64" apart.  Due to differences in manufacturing tolerances this seems to be about the ideal spacing that allows the locking mechanism to grab but prevents the already laid plank from pressing against the new plank and causing it to break away and lift up.  I then take my tapping block and very very gently tap the two pieces together to close any gap.  Then I use the tapping block to tap the new piece against the previous row.  Another nice trick that seems to work if two pieces won't lock at the edges is to use a very thin wooden shim under the edge of the previously laid plank.  This will lift and support the tongue enough that when you press the next plank down it will lock in.  A nice but seemingly riskier option is that a new plank can be slid into place by aligning the short tongue and groove ends and then pushing the plank toward the previous row.  Using a tapping block you can then tap the plank into place.  I don't like doing this if I don't have to because it seems to damage a little bit of the tongue on the long side.  However, it is a useful trick near doorways and openings where you can't put the long side tongue in and then press down. Another neat trick I accidentally learned (and haven't seen documented) is that a new plank can be fitted into the previous row and then slide toward the existing plank.  Once you get to the existing plank you can press the plastic lock in so it recesses inside its plank using a thin putty knife or maybe a razor blade.  This will probably only work on short planks because a long plank is difficult to slide when it is fitted to the previous row.

Dis-assembly:  Okay, this is the part that sucks royally if you have a long room and lay down a damaged or incorrect plank.  Once a plank is laid down it can only be removed by lifting up on the long groove side and rotating upwards to separate it from the previous row of planks.  My room is about 30ft long (I'm supposed to use a transition piece because I'm over the limit specified by Pergo but they're hideous in the middle of a room) and each plank is around 4ft long.  This means when I get to the end of this 30ft row I have laid down 7 planks already.  If I lock my last plank into place and find that it has damage or it is wrong, I have to lift and rotate upwards that ENTIRE row of 7 planks at the same time and at the same height in order to unlock them from the previous row.  Think about that.  You would need about 4 or 5 people to lift at the same time in order to avoid damaging the short groove ends.  Two planks laid end-to-end must be slid apart.  They cannot be lifted or pivoted apart without destroying one of them.  The one that gets destroyed will most likely be the short groove side.  Here's a neat little trick I came up with after having laid down 7 planks and going to start my new row, finding damage to the very first plank of the previous row.  Where the two planks meet on the long groove side you can see a hole where the plastic locking tab is recessed.  If you can find the appropriate diameter metal wire you can slide it into the hole and it will push the locking tab in.  Then you can very carefully lift the last plank away from the one previous.  I used the wire stem from a utilities mark out flag (you can find these at home depot) with a little bit of masking tape on it and it worked perfect.  I was able to get all 7 planks apart without damaging them.

Transition Pieces:  One word here; garbage.  I am really not pleased with the quality of these pieces considering they sell for almost $30.  The laminate surface is very thin and easily peeled off.  The pieces themselves do not match the instructions.  The main flat piece is supposed to have a tongue in it that slides into a groove on one of the adapter pieces.  Well, mine doesn't have that tongue so it's never going to hold.  I may have to resort to just building my own out of oak or finding another brand.  I have 3 more that I will have to return.

Overall:  I can't comment on the longevity of the floor as I haven't even finished it yet but so far I like the way it feels underfoot.  Getting used to that 2mm of padding still as with hardwood there is zero cushion when you walk.  So far, I don't hear any squeaking or rubbing between planks but the floor is still brand new so who knows what happen in a few years.  Pergo brags about their locking tongue system but I'm not sure I buy it just yet.  The piece that the plastic locking mechanism locks into seems weak and the most likely part to fail.  I hope the surface is as scratch resistant as they claim because it is super thin.

My Tips:

1)  You will definitely want to buy a laminate installation kit.  I bought the Blue Hawk kit from Lowes and the plastic tapping block and bar work pretty well.  The wall spacers are garbage.  Unless your drywall goes to within a half inch of the sub-floor they won't work.  And in most homes that's rare.  You're better off buying some 3/8" plywood and cutting it into strips.  You'll also need a rubber mallet or dead blow hammer.  Harbor Freight sells an all rubber one that you can drop onto the floor without worrying about scratching or denting it.

2)  If you are going to go between rooms and have the tongue side of the planks exposed to foot traffic lock some scrap pieces onto the exposed tongues to protect them from being kicked or hit by tools and broken.

3)  Let the boards acclimate!  Pergo recommends 72 hours.  Mine acclimated for a week and a half but that was only because I had other stuff to do.  No need to take them out of the box until you start work.  The box gives them a little extra protection.

4)  Save your planks that were in the box and damaged.  From what I hear Home Depot is pretty good about replacing damaged planks.  I bought mine so long ago there isn't much I can do now about mine. 

5)  When you first start (if the wall is short enough) before sliding the planks against the wall assemble 3 rows of planks together so you know you have a straight line.  The more rows you can assemble but still slide and then dis-assemble later, the better.  My walls ended up being more parallel than I would have thought.

6)  Anywhere near a source of water (ex, sink, dishwasher, stove, fridge) you are supposed to fill the 3/8" expansion gap with silicone.  This way if you spill a large volume of water, it will not run down underneath the planks and destroy them.  It is mentioned in the directions but rarely executed.  I'm not really sure how this doesn't negate the required expansion gap, but that's what is recommended.  In our downstairs bathroom I used the silicone around the toilet flange and along the edges of the wall.  Hopefully, if the toilet ever leaks it won't be able to easily find it's way under the floor.

7)  Put the felt sliders on everything that sits on the laminate.  Couches, end tables, lamps, and bookcases.  I even put them on the adjustable feet for the oven and dishwasher so when I slide them out they don't gouge anything.  If water ever dumps behind the oven I can quickly and easily slide it out to mop up the water.  Make sure your dishwasher will still fit under your counter with the added height.  Mine just barely fit after the 12mm of laminate and the 1/4" tall felt pad.

8)  I have a super heavy fridge so I put 1/8" tempered hardboard on the floor under its wheels.  This is to keep them from sinking into the laminate and scratching it.  If I need to roll the fridge out I just butt a piece of 1/8" hardboard against the ones that are there and roll it on to that.

9)  After the planks are locked in, use the tapping block to fit them tightly against the previous row.  The tighter the seams are the more resistant they will be to water getting between them.  Nothing will prevent it though.

10)  Pergo specifies that the seams between planks should be spaced no less than 8" apart.  For added strength I decided to space my seams at least 12" apart.  Plus, I think close seams are more noticeable.

11)  Per Pergo, the minimum plank length is 12".  In areas with zero foot traffic (under stove, dishwasher, back of pantry) I cheated and have some that are only 8" long.

12)  Under-cutting door jambs is the way to go!  I've seen some terrible hack jobs where people used a jig-saw to try and carefully cut around the jambs or molding.  This looks hideous and negates your required 3/8" expansion gap.  These are the same people that complain when their Pergo floor bows in the summer time.  Treat yourself to the $40 Harbor Freight Oscillating Multifunction Tool.  It is a worthwhile investment that has hundreds of uses.  Now that I have one I don't know how I survived without it.

13)  I HIGHLY recommend opening ALL of the boxes you have, inspecting for damage, and laying them out based on their patterns.  It makes the job of not having matching patterns near each other much easier. Inspect the entire plank because some of mine were in the middle of the box but still had surface damage that could only have occurred at the factory.  Some of the damage I found was very minor but enough that I didn't feel comfortable installing the plank.

14)  Scribing the last wall is super easy thanks to the tip shown in this video.  However, the technique shown here is a little flawed.  First, the tongue on the Pergo XP is only 3/16" wide and you need a 3/8" expansion gap.  So, if you just use a piece of scrap plank you'll wind up being too tight to the wall when you install it.  The Pergo XP Highland Hickory planks are 4 7/8" wide, so add the 3/8" expansion gap and you need a tracer board that is 5 1/4" long.  In my opinion the length of the board he is using in the video is too long to get an accurate contour of the wall if it has significant bowing (like the walls in my house).

I cut a scrap piece of wood 3" wide and 5 1/4" long and that worked much better.

15)  Have plenty of saw blades on hand.  You'll know the blade is getting dull when you start smelling the laminate burning and it starts to chip at the edge.  For 800 square feet I will probably go through 3 10" saw blades.  More teeth are supposed to reduce chipping but I haven't had too much of a problem with a 60 tooth blade versus a 200 tooth blade.  A dull blade is what will cause the most chipping.

59 comments:

  1. Anonymous11:45 AM

    Chris, can you please post a few pictures of your new Highland Hickory floor?? We are considering this and would love to see yours!

    Thank You,
    Mary

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  2. Here you go Mary.

    http://forcedfx.blogspot.com/2013/05/installation-pictures-of-pergo-xp.html

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  3. Anonymous8:41 PM

    My husband attempting to install this product and said that this is the lamest locking mechanisim he has ever seen just beginning with it he broke 3 boards. He is an installer and said this product is way over priced and is nothing but garbage.

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    1. Anonymous8:46 PM

      I agree. I install this crap all the time. I do like the durability of the surface. Its better than most but not the best. However, the locking system does not hold the boards on the ends together from the top. This is a floating floor. There will be movement. You walk over it enough times, that cheesy door latch system will brake. And that ladies and gentlemen has cost me thousands of dollars. They need the same product without the door latch. problem solved. Otherwise that product is JUNK!!!! Oh, and another thing, never buy Allure either.

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  4. Anonymous11:53 AM

    If Anonymous above has a husband that was an installer, people should run away when they see him coming. I installed 3 bedrooms with very few snags. My wife and I are not installers nor are laborers of any kind. It took some time , but the floors look great. You need to just follow directions. I'm just another anonymous. Also, just invest $60 and get a laminate tile cutter. Much easier than using a saw.



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    1. Anonymous8:49 PM

      Give it a year. It will come apart on the ends. And good luck getting pergo to cover it

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    2. Anonymous1:05 PM

      I installed several rooms worth of the Pergo Highland Hickory (it may have had a different name back then) from HD over 5 years ago and have had absolutely no problem with any joint (ends or lengthwise) coming apart. I am not a professional installer but I can follow directions...

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    3. Anonymous3:41 AM

      We installed this floor in my son's family room, breakfast nook and kitchen 3 years ago and have not seen any problems. No issues with installation either. We are not professional installers.

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    4. Laminate , by construction , is a garbage product to begin with . It's actually compressed sawdust with a computer generated veneer layer I compare to glorified shelf paper. So the thickness of the floor is pointless , since the wear layer is all that counts. And if you are so unfortunate as to scratch that wear layer , there is really no acceptable filler or color pen that will sufficiently fix it without it being somewhat visible . However , with the new textured wear layers and graphic they are making them with now , it's miles ahead of what it used to be . I , myself , would never put any laminate product in my house , when I can spend a few more dollars and get LVP ( vinyl plank ) or hardwood . Sure , laminate products have their place in the market , but I would never do my entire house in a floating floor made of compressed sawdust and a printed faux wood graphic that is as thin as a piece of paper. Maybe playroom or a spare room , but never the entire house. It does not increase your home value , as it is a flooring floor , and not considered a permanent capital improvement . For the money the OP paid to do this floor , I would have gone a step further and did hardwood. Laminate , by no means is a miracle product. It's a good temporary fix , or spruce up material , mostly to be used on floors that are uneven , concrete floors , basements ,or floors in general bad shape. Hence ..the floating floor. No need for patch , or new subfloors. If this floor gets wet , it's ruined . Not talking about a random spill , but an actual flood , leak , pets etc. its construction of compressed sawdust Is why it swells and warps when it gets wet. No amount of silicone or moisture barrier will protect this product when it gets wet. And they don't tell you that if you use any kind if cleaner , like pines sol or mr. Clean , or any other foreign cleaners will destroy the finish , and cause it to peel. The locking systems are usually pretty basic and inferior as well. Some better than others. Pergo,is one of the better ones. But this product is man made , not natural , and mass produced , which is the reason for the inconsistency in the graphics , locking systems , and sizes of the boards. Wood is a natural product , and though there can be defects in some wood as well , it is less likely you will get the inconsistency that you get with laminate. And lastly any product that you buy from Home Depot is a cheapened version of the original sold in flooring stores . It is specifically made for that chain , within the cost limits specified so that store can sell it at a competitive profit and undercut the flooring stores. It's typical bulk pricing for an inferior product , sold by a box store . So if you must buy a laminate floor , and you really care about the product your buying , at the very least , go to a reputable flooring store , and buy the real thing . Not a dumbed down version made to sell at large volumes for a large retailer. The old saying " you get what you pay for " is best advice I can give. Because with Home Depot and lowes, your really do get what you pay for , and it's not good .

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  5. did you remove your baseboards and then re-install them after you were done?

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    1. Yes, I pulled the nails out from the back side and the wife sanded and re-painted them.

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    2. thanks!! we cant decide on the pergo xp highland hickory from HD or the pergo max richland hickory from lowes :/

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    3. We feel your pain. That was the dilemma we faced. The designs are so similar.

      If you can find a damaged plank they will probably let you take it home and see what it looks like. It's hard to tell in the store.

      If you go to Lowes make sure to ask for a discount. You should be able to get at least 10% off.

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  6. Anonymous7:27 PM

    This is a great and thorough review. I couldn't agree more about how HD deals with their 10% off. My husband and I are looking to buy the Hand Shaw Pergo XP and would need to cover over 1,900 sq. ft. They will only offer the max of $200 off. And they seem annoyed when we asked for it. Makes me glad there is a Lowe's right across the street.

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  7. Anonymous7:29 PM

    This is a great and thorough review. I couldn't agree more about how HD deals with their 10% off. My husband and I are looking to buy the Hand Shaw Pergo XP and would need to cover over 1,900 sq. ft. They will only offer the max of $200 off. And they seem annoyed when we asked for it. Makes me glad there is a Lowe's right across the street.

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  8. thank you for the excellent review. two questions for all. First, why choose the 8 or 10mm thick planks and not use the 3/8" thick planks? and second is how do these planks stand up to chair and stool legs? i have stools in my dining room at the pass thtough from the kitchen.

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  9. A 3/8" plank is right around 9.5mm so it is essentially a 10mm plank. It all comes down to how the manufacturer decides to measure their product. Generally speaking, the thicker the plank the stronger it will be and the longer it will last. Also, since a thicker plank is physically stronger it will feel more sturdy under foot.

    We have a high top table and 6 chairs and it has held up great so far with no signs of wear or damage. Make absolutely certain that you put the felt pads under each and every piece of furniture/chair/couch/TV stand/etc that will be on the floor. Lowes and Home Depot both sell them. Then only piece of furniture we don't have the pads on, is a coffee table because it sits on top of a throw rug. Without the pads the floor will be scratched/gouged in short order.

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  10. Anonymous9:46 AM

    Hi Chris, Thanks for the lengthy review. Lots of good information. I am thinking of getting the pergo xp highland hickory for two bedrooms, a hallway and living room. I had carpet, but would rather have laminate or hardwood. Now that you have had the highland hickory laminate for a while, how is it holding up (any scratches, dents or water damage)? I noticed you have a cat. I have a cat too. She sometimes throws up her food on the floor and I worry that it would damage the laminate flooring if she throws up while I'm sleeping and I don't see it until morning. You said you put felt pads under all your furniture. Do these floors scratch easily? Thanks for any feedback you can give me.

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    1. I have damaged it but it was my fault. I dropped a metal panel from the side of a computer case and the corner of it put a nice gouge in the laminate. However, a brown crayola crayon filled it in beautifully and you would never see it now. The cats claws don't do anything at all to it and they can be very hyper running around.

      Our cats have spilled water from their bowl and thrown up. So far none of it has been able to penetrate and cause damage.

      The felt pads are necessary according to Pergo. They're super cheap and worth buying. Without them the furniture would probably scratch the floor when you move it around.

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  11. Anonymous8:45 AM

    Thanks for the thorough review, Chris. Got the HH from HD and should install by XMAS. Having them do it. $400 is worth it to me. It's going over an old hardwood floor on top a wood sub-floor. Have you experienced any clicking yet that is commonly reported for laminate flooring? Again, many thanks for the great review!

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    1. I hear some clicking in a few spots but that is my fault as it happens in spots I didn't properly level. Clicking is almost always due to high or low spots in a floor that was not properly flattened. A floor has to be very flat in order for the laminate to lay properly. If you are putting it over top of an old hardwood floor you may want to check out how flat it is beforehand. Sagging joists could have caused waviness in the subfloor and consequently the hardwood which is nailed to it.

      Has your contractor promised to take care of any unevenness in your current floor? Usually only the more expensive installers will offer it because it takes more time and effort than actually putting the floor down.

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    2. Anonymous6:18 PM

      Thanks for your reply. The only thing promised is if they find unlevel conditions, then additional charges may apply. Not surprising. I'm going to roll the dice. If they find unlevel areas and their charges are reasonable, then fine. If they try to rip me a new one, I'll kick them out. Thanks again... have a great holiday. Mike

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  12. Chris, I have a bedroom with an old pine tongue & groove subfloor over which I want to install the HH product. It has grooves running along all the board edges that can be as much as 1/8 - 1/4" wide. Overall the subfloor is level but has these grooves. If I run the Pergo planks perpendicular to the old floor & grooves will this hold up or do you think I have to take the time to work filler into every one of those grooves?

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    1. I wouldn't bother, especially if you're running the planks perpendicular to the current floor.

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    2. Thanks for your response.

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  13. Hi Cris, I am having pergo max installed in my living room and hallway next week. Lowes is installing it. I was told to remove all electrical cords. I live in a condo and have a cable cord under the carpet that is being ripped out. My question is will there be a problem putting the purgo on top of the cable wires.

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    1. I'm assuming (and hoping) you mean cable TV coax and not electrical wires. The floor cannot go over the cable. It will definitely destroy your floor in short order and void any warranty. You will need to re-route the cable along the bottom of the wall above your baseboards, lay it across the floor after it is installed, or move your TV.

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  14. Anonymous2:15 PM

    I installed the Pergo XP in highland hickory approximately 1 year ago. The entire floor has little faint white specs all over, especially near the heating ducts and by the glass sliding door. I complained to Pergo, they sent out an inspector. Pergo refunded my the entire purchase price of the product. They supposedly had a bad batch of products, something went wrong with the laminating process. I appreciate the refund, but now I have to redo the entire floor in my kitchen, dining room, and living room. Also, the product shrinks down tremendously during the winter due to the dry air. If you have a long section, the far ends can come in 3/4".

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    1. Sorry to hear that. Did Pergo say what the defect is that caused it? Pretty sure I'd burn the house down before replacing all that flooring. My longest span is about 30ft but I haven't seen that degree of shrinkage in the winter. If it did it would expose the edges under my baseboards.

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  15. Anonymous2:55 PM

    Man, I'm glad I found this blog! Thanks for taking the time to write it. I embarked on an 800 square feet, Highland Hickory, Pergo flooring project at my house last weekend. I started with the smallest room in the house to get the hang of it. I got the room done up to the last row before the doorway and realized I had installed the entire floor backwards! I started with the tounge side towards the wall I started from and faced the groove end towards the direction I am working. I haven't had any difficulty with the locking system doing it this way and the only thing I have read about it claims the only problem is that it is slightly more difficult to put together this way. Also, would you recommend using the T-molding in all doorways instead of just continuing the pattern unbroken from bedroom to hallway? Thanks.

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    1. Well, technically you're supposed to use the transition strip when going through doorways. I'm not sure what difference it makes as long as you're not exceeding the max run length of 20 something feet. If you use a transition you can switch the direction you're laying the planks which sometimes looks nice if the direction of the light in the room is different.

      That being said, I only used transition pieces where the flooring met carpet or vinyl flooring. I personally think the transitions are terrible looking when not switching from one type of flooring to another. I also feel like the transitions pieces are made like garbage for as much as they cost. I doubt they will be anywhere near as durable as the flooring planks. My longest run without using a transition is 7 planks, which is about 28 feet. So far I haven't had any problems other than 2 planks that separated, but that was my fault because I screwed up doing an undercut in a door jamb preventing those planks from being able to move.

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    2. Anonymous3:56 PM

      Thanks for the response.

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  16. Anonymous11:19 AM

    This was a very interesting and informative article. I am considering Pergo, but now I am not sure. I was under the impression that Pergo was top of the line. Perhaps I should consider another brand. If I decide to have laminate flooring, I would prefer to have a quality brand. Or just have all new quality carpet.

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    1. Ultimately, you get what you pay for. Pergo is better than a lot of the other garbage out there but I think the name is just over-hyped somehow. Maybe just years of excellent marketing. I went to a few different flooring companies and looked at their laminate flooring but it wasn't that much different compared to Pergo flooring at the same or lower price. If you buy from a flooring company find out what the re-stocking fee is. Home Depot and Lowes don't charge anything but some companies charge as much as 20%.

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  17. How are the floors after a year?

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    1. So far not so bad. I've had a couple planks separate at the ends due to my not leaving enough expansion gap under a door jamb. I've damaged it in a few places by dropping various things on the floor. A brown crayon seems to hide it pretty. Zero water damage has been my biggest surprise though. I've had some spills go unnoticed overnight but they haven't done any visible damage.

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  18. Anonymous9:28 PM

    Great comments, thx! I'm not sure if we'll go with Pergo, but I suspect a lot of your installation hints will work with other products

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  19. I see this blog was written a year ago. How do you like the floor a year later?

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    1. I'm still happy with it for what it cost. I am getting some squeaking in areas where my floor was not 100% flat. I've had two planks separate at the ends as well because of that. But overall the floor seems to be pretty durable and water hasn't had any noticeable impact on it.

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  20. How's the floor been holding up? we are looking at it for our hallway and three bedrooms.

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    1. No complaints really, other than I got lazy doing an undercut under a door jamb causing a row of planks to separate. If not for that I wouldn't have had any separation.

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  21. Anonymous5:15 PM

    Great write-up Chris! Would you recommend starting in a bedroom or hallway. I am doing 4 bedrooms and a long hallway leading into one of the 4 bedrooms. The hallway has 4 bedroom doorways, 2 bathroom doorways, a hall closet, and a linen closet. Would you start in hallway or bedroom at end of hallway? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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    1. If you're doing individual bedrooms you should probably install a threshold between the rooms so that it will be situated underneath the door when it is closed. I would also do the hallway on its own because you're talking about separate living spaces that could be subject to different temperatures which leads to different rates of expansion. Especially when a bedroom door is shut.

      Bedrooms tend to be the easiest. I found running the planks under the door jambs to be the most tedious part, especially as I approached the last row.

      The planks in the bedrooms should run perpendicular to the wall that the window(s) are on. If you have windows on different walls I would run them perpendicular to whichever one gets the most light.

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    2. Anonymous6:22 PM

      Thanks for additional pointers Chris, much appreciated.

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  22. Anonymous11:46 PM

    HI Chris,

    Thank you, great comments and suggestions! I was looking at vinyl plank but can not find a color I like that fits my budget. I'm now considering the Pergo XP Ligoria Slate. My question is, can I apply a water proof product before installing each plank to protect the planks from water damage? (I'm assuming there is such a product for indoor use ??) I am installing in living room/dining room and kitchen, but there is a downstairs bathroom that flooded most of the downstairs area from sewer backup due to tree roots, and it could happen again I suppose...

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  23. Anonymous7:30 PM

    Are you still happy with your floors? It has been almost 2 years... Do they still look good?

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  24. Installed Highland Hickory 12 months ago it is now delaminated and Home Depot and Pergo will not do anything to back their product! I do not recommend shopping at Home Depot or buying Pergo products. Very poor Customer service on both sides.

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  25. Do not purchase Pergo Highland Hickory and especially not from Home Depot.

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  26. Anonymous12:12 PM

    I have had such a headache trying to get my Pergo Highland Hickory installed at my house. Since this isn't a post about Home Depot, I won't go off on a tangent about how absolutely awful their customer service has been. Just a little bit of info on the flooring itself.

    Little back story: Prior to our big purchase I bought a single box of the Highland Hickory to bring home so I could make sure it would look good. I loved it; it was exactly what I had in mind. We bit the bullet and ordered 115 boxes to cover our entire downstairs. A week later I stopped in at Home Depot to check on the status of our order. The lady at the service desk pulls up our order and says,"Highland Hickory! This is what I have at my house, I love it!" Later she mentions that while installing her and her husband found that the boxes manufactured in Canada snapped together a lot easier than the planks made the the U.S.A.. I didn't think anything of this until a few weeks later when...

    We finally received our order. We bring the boxes in from the garage, one by one, stack them and let them sit for the recommended 72 hours. The night before our installation day I decide to open up some boxes to play around with placement. The very first plank I pull out just looked and felt different than the other planks I have from our original, single box. I lay the planks out from the new and "old" box. There is a difference. There wasn't as much grooving in the surface. The color looked more yellow rather than brown. Under foot the planks from the new box felt a lot smoother. Over all the planks from the new box just looked more "fake" and maybe even cheaper. Then I remembered my conversation with the employee at the service desk.

    I grab the box that held the planks I preferred and it said," MADE IN CANADA". The box that held the planks I didn't like were made in the U.S.A. I call Home Depot, the same location where I was assured that since laminate has no dye lot it doesn't matter what pallet they come off of in terms of consistency, and am told," Oh yea, I've heard of this with Pergo floors before. People can prefer the material that is made in Canada."

    So there you have it. The Pergo Highland Hickory that is made in Canada looks and feels different than Highland Hickory made in the US. And while the employee at Home Depot also testified that it installs better too, I have yet to find that out because now I am working on exchanging 4 pallets for the Canadian made ones. And to think we have another 1,500 square feet to do upstairs. Maybe I'll just do carpet ;)

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  27. Laura P.9:08 AM

    I'm going to replace my living room and kitchen flooring and was considering using tile that looks like wood, but when I saw it in the store, it had a dull finish and looked too rustic for my taste. I was hesitant to use laminate flooring because a friend had hers done last year with a cheap brand and it was peeling already. But when I saw the Pergo XP in the store, I was very impressed with it's look. My big concern was if the surface would stay scratch free and not peel off, so Home Depot had small samples for free that you can take home, so in the
    store, I took out my car keys and scratched the surface of the sample so hard and nothing happened to the laminate surface! I was so impressed since I have a dog and cat and lots of traffic through the areas I want to re-floor. I couldn't believe I couldn't damage or peel the surface. I'm very convinced I'll buy this product.

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  29. Unbiased opinion is admirable. I installed Pergo xp myself on 1/10/2016. It is a good looking floor in a 12x18 master bedroom. Highland hickory is a popular choice. I think they could research sealing the grooves with a sillacone spray. The floor laid well. Like a cheap washing machine this is an excellent alternative to expensive hardwood material and Invision a 5 to 10 year return on investment. Super easy to install. I chose to use metal step down platinum nickle transition strips. They look great.

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  30. Unbiased opinion is admirable. I installed Pergo xp myself on 1/10/2016. It is a good looking floor in a 12x18 master bedroom. Highland hickory is a popular choice. I think they could research sealing the grooves with a sillacone spray. The floor laid well. Like a cheap washing machine this is an excellent alternative to expensive hardwood material and Invision a 5 to 10 year return on investment. Super easy to install. I chose to use metal step down platinum nickle transition strips. They look great.

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  31. Anonymous9:55 AM

    I just installed the Pergo XP Natural Hickory for my den. This is my 4th floating floor I have installed and it went pretty much according to Hoyle. This is a photo laminate product, and feel that it should hold up well to the traffic that this room will endure. Our sun room has a photo type Pergo floor that is 17 years old, and in fine shape. The previous owner did that. It has held up much better than the CertainTeed roof that was installed the same year. (That was just replaced with GAF HD) As I have windows on both walls, I did run perpendicular to the joist, but parallel to the west window. That is a smart sun window, so perhaps this will help with any issues that may come from that. As to transitions, I am never happy what is provided, so I will fashion one for myself. The hallway is oak laminate, so I will use oak to fashion my transition. By all means get the install kit as it makes for a much tighter floor. Lots of good stuff here.

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  32. I found everything about Pergo XP to be wonderful. I viewed the Pergo installation videos on YouTube along with some others by diy folks. The locking system worked great with a tapping block. Secret for me was to insert the male side into the female at about a 20 degree angle with the end snugged against the board next to it. Then I used the tapping block and hammer to "seat" it. Then Just press the board down to the floor.
    I didn't use quarter round but rather removed my existing baseboard prior to install and replaced with new after. It looks a lot cleaner in my opinion. If it's not important to you the quarter round would be a much simpler alternative.
    I suggest when viewing the Pergo installation videos you watch them a few times. There is some critical information which is understated.

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  34. Anonymous6:18 PM

    My wife and I looked at so many Pergo xp styles before deciding to go with the Pergo Highland Hickory. I just finished two bedrooms which took me close to two weeks because of floor prep. painting baseboards, painting walls etc. I am not using transitions and it looks fantastic as it flows seamlessly from room to room. As I finished first room and came out of that room I had to do the adjoining room backwards working from thedoorway to the back wall in order to come out correctly. I used the Pergo matching quarter-round molding and it is kind of expensive but gives a fantastic look to the floor. So far we are super pleased with the look and feel of the two rooms finished. I made some minor mistakes mainly cutting boards to fit around doorways. I have used a jig-saw for all my cuts and will continue to use it...it takes a little more time but it works fine. I did go and buy an occilating tool from Walmart ...the Hyper Tough for less than 20 bucks. Two year warranty too! This tool is a MUST HAVE for anyone...it is so handy and I undercut door ways with no problem. The sander attachment is fantastic also. The Walmart tool comes with sander attachment and sanding pads...wood cutting blade and a scraper blade. The Harbor Freight tool comes with nothing and has just a 90 day warranty. The floor feels solid and substantial and looks absolutely stunning. I installed Pergo downstairs about 7 years ago and it still looks great with all joints intact and the areas in direct sunlight unaffected by the UV rays. I understand this Pergo XP is better quality than my original floor so I feel it will be fine. I had an installer tell me I could install the Pergo on my stairs. I am considering it. He said it can be done and looks fantastic as it flows with the new flooring. I have carpeting right now upstairs and on the stairs. I ripped out two bedrooms and put the pergo HH there and will finish the rest of the upstairs before finally working on the stairs. I have a question for anyone please. I have washer upstairs in a little 5x3 alcove. I am going to pergo that area also but am considering using Pergo Outlast as it is the top of the line and claims to be waterproof or at least very water resistant. I was wondering it the Outlast will join up with the XP HH boards or is it different locking system? Tks.

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  35. How has your pergo XP held up? I did mine in 2011.. with 3 dogs and a kid.. its pretty much trashed. The joints always click and its swollen up everywhere with water/dog issues. Prety much a waste of $$.

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  36. Need 5 boxes of the pergo max Richland hickory. Lowe's does not carry it anymore. Any ideas where I might pick some up?

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